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	<title>Comments on: It&#8217;s the Charters&#8217; Fault &#8230; Seriously?</title>
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		<title>By: Mid-Riffs &#187; Blog Archive &#187; More Charter Bashing</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mid-Riffs &#187; Blog Archive &#187; More Charter Bashing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 16:50:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] article presents a summary of  a study done by the the Office for Education Policy at the U of A. We had a post about this very subject about a week ago.  Both the study and our post seek to debunk the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] article presents a summary of  a study done by the the Office for Education Policy at the U of A. We had a post about this very subject about a week ago.  Both the study and our post seek to debunk the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jay P. Greene</title>
		<link>http://mid-riffs.com/2009/09/blaming-charter-schools-are-you-serious/comment-page-1/#comment-154</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay P. Greene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 19:31:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you may have to add a 4th assumption or modify #2.  You say &quot;If given the choice, families will choose segregation.&quot;  This, of course, assumes that families are not choosing -- and perhaps choosing segregation -- in the absence of charter schools.  But we know families already choose schools by choosing residences.  

And without charter schools in the city as options, parents who exercise residential school choice often leave the city entirely.  That drains the city of tax base and a middle class.

The question is not whether to have school choice.  It happens even without charter schools.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you may have to add a 4th assumption or modify #2.  You say &#8220;If given the choice, families will choose segregation.&#8221;  This, of course, assumes that families are not choosing &#8212; and perhaps choosing segregation &#8212; in the absence of charter schools.  But we know families already choose schools by choosing residences.  </p>
<p>And without charter schools in the city as options, parents who exercise residential school choice often leave the city entirely.  That drains the city of tax base and a middle class.</p>
<p>The question is not whether to have school choice.  It happens even without charter schools.</p>
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		<title>By: The Mere Academic</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Mere Academic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 18:40:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rupert, 

Good addition ... it is not only the big city schools that are imperfectly integrated.  If we use a pretty simple rule, say that an integrated school is one within 10 pct points plus or minus of the district average, then integrated Fayetteville schools are those ranging from 64% to 84% white.  By that measure, we would call 8 or 9 of the 14 listed schools racially segregated. 

Thanks for the post ....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rupert, </p>
<p>Good addition &#8230; it is not only the big city schools that are imperfectly integrated.  If we use a pretty simple rule, say that an integrated school is one within 10 pct points plus or minus of the district average, then integrated Fayetteville schools are those ranging from 64% to 84% white.  By that measure, we would call 8 or 9 of the 14 listed schools racially segregated. </p>
<p>Thanks for the post &#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Rupert Pupkin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rupert Pupkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 18:25:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In case anyone is interested...

Racial makeup of Fayetteville Schools (2007)

  School                  % White
   Name                  Students*
------------              ------------
ASBELL                     54.1
OWL CREEK               52.5
LEVERETT                  56.5
WASHINGTON            68.5
HAPPY HOLLOW          84.9
BUTTERFIELD             72.4
HOLCOMB                  62.0
ROOT                        89.3
VANDERGRIFF            90.7
HOLT MIDDLE             64.4
MCNAIR MIDDLE         86.8
RAMAY JR HIGH          68.5
WOODLAND JR HIGH   85.4
FHS                           78.3
  District Total             74.4

Source: www.schooldatadirect.org

Note: According to the 2000 Census, 86.5% of Fayetteville&#039;s population is white.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In case anyone is interested&#8230;</p>
<p>Racial makeup of Fayetteville Schools (2007)</p>
<p>  School                  % White<br />
   Name                  Students*<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;              &#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;<br />
ASBELL                     54.1<br />
OWL CREEK               52.5<br />
LEVERETT                  56.5<br />
WASHINGTON            68.5<br />
HAPPY HOLLOW          84.9<br />
BUTTERFIELD             72.4<br />
HOLCOMB                  62.0<br />
ROOT                        89.3<br />
VANDERGRIFF            90.7<br />
HOLT MIDDLE             64.4<br />
MCNAIR MIDDLE         86.8<br />
RAMAY JR HIGH          68.5<br />
WOODLAND JR HIGH   85.4<br />
FHS                           78.3<br />
  District Total             74.4</p>
<p>Source: <a href="http://www.schooldatadirect.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.schooldatadirect.org</a></p>
<p>Note: According to the 2000 Census, 86.5% of Fayetteville&#8217;s population is white.</p>
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		<title>By: Caleb Rose</title>
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		<dc:creator>Caleb Rose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 17:53:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s hope Heller is not serious considering the local papers have barely picked up on this story.  Even the blurb on the Arkansas Times blog was only somewhat informational.  

At least after you scroll down and read the first comment posted after the ArkTimes Blog Post someone also gets that Public Schools are already &quot;67% black.&quot;

It is amazing what cockamamie claims one can make when he actually has supporting research!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s hope Heller is not serious considering the local papers have barely picked up on this story.  Even the blurb on the Arkansas Times blog was only somewhat informational.  </p>
<p>At least after you scroll down and read the first comment posted after the ArkTimes Blog Post someone also gets that Public Schools are already &#8220;67% black.&#8221;</p>
<p>It is amazing what cockamamie claims one can make when he actually has supporting research!</p>
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